Who Believes In God?

[nevermind]

Yes I believe in God in Christ and one.

[Rafferty]

Originally Posted by archdukezeb

hopefully god isn't the type of petty guy who's gonna say "fuck you, you didn't believe in me. now go suffer eternal hellfire"

apparently that's exactly the type of guy God is. A big jerk. "You didn't believe in me even though I gave you no proof? Tough shit, enjoy roasting for eternity." Doesn't exactly fill my soul with light and love, I don't know about you.

[UACCHHA]

I don't believe in "God" as a person in the sky, creator of earth, mankind, and all that is in existence. I believe in a higher power, I believe in energy, we're all energy if you look under a microscope powerful enough. Everything is energy, therefore we're all connected, energy wise. We emmit energy levels and "the universe" responds to us as we respond to our surroundings. Be happy and you'll draw happiness, success, health, wealth, money, whatever you want, as long as you think and feel you can. thats my philosphy, some may have heard of it, its called "The Secret" and its the secret to life and everything inbetween.

[S.2ITA]

This has been a very interesting thread to read.

I'd heard the term agnostic but never knew what it meant, until wiki'ing it just now. Whenever people have asked me about religion I've always said, "I don't know what happens when you die, I'll find out when it happens. I'm not atheist, I just don't know what happens. Anything could happen."

So I guess I'm agnostic. But from reading the wiki page there are different types of agnosticism (which I couldn't be bothered explaining).

But being agnostic doesn't mean your a fence sitter. It just means you don't know. If someone asks you a question about something you know nothing about, what should you say? You SHOULD say, "I don't know".

Thats not a shot at people who have beliefs. Maybe you are right and maybe you do somehow know that there is a god. But I can't 'know' that he exists just because some other human tells me he does. Humans lie and deceive all the time.

As others said, religion can be a good thing and it can be a bad thing. Just look at this thread. How many arguments have there been already? Who cares what someone else believes, just let them be as long as theyre not harming you. Don't force your opinions on others.

E.g. when people from various religions go door knocking and they come to my door. I'm kind of annoyed because theyre trying to push their religion on to me, but I always talk to them and I'm always polite to them because in their mind, they know god exists, and they are trying to help me (a poor lost soul lol). So I can't be rude to someone who is trying to help me.

[piecemakuh]

its funny to me how people use terms like 'tested' and 'research' when making christians look like brainless zealots following unfathomable theory. my question would be tested by who? everything any of us ever researched or ever had tested in terms of history or science or philosophy has been written by a man, period. so those of u who sit on sum makeshift pedastol of knowledge and understanding are basically doing the same thing christians or followers of any religion are doing - MINUS THE DEITY, one guy on here had a rough life and was shattered so much lol he decided nothing was good and had to be tested. TESTED BY WHAT BASIS? SUMTHING A MAN HAS WRITTEN. and moreover u have no clue what that scientist, scholar, physicist, book writer, poet, false prophet, etc is into within the confines of his home before he wrote what u read and BELIEVED when u read it. dunno bout others here but I have studied my religion, and there was a character who was TESTED by both the temptation of this world, and from a secular stand point by the laws of probability. there were over 300 prophecies about him in the old testament alone even one depicting his birthplace hundreds of years before he would ever walk the earth. the probability of him fulfilling jus 1-10 of over three hundred prophecies is 1 and a trillion times a trillion. lol so sumbody gone read this and make sum sarcastic comment like the tripped out dude that don't believe in nothing, and say sumptin 'SMART' like I don't subscribe to that or ur ignorant or I SEARCHED for myself in another direction, when all he did was follow a TEXT written by a man like I did, but the only difference is mine claims to be inspired by a creator, he-she has no clue what inspired a historian, scientist, or any other creator of text of any sort to write what they wrote for u to say u tested it and it is now truth to u.

[archdukezeb]

Originally Posted by piecemakuh

its funny to me how people use terms like 'tested' and 'research' when making christians look like brainless zealots following unfathomable theory. my question would be tested by who? everything any of us ever researched or ever had tested in terms of history or science or philosophy has been written by a man, period. so those of u who sit on sum makeshift pedastol of knowledge and understanding are basically doing the same thing christians or followers of any religion are doing - MINUS THE DEITY, one guy on here had a rough life and was shattered so much lol he decided nothing was good and had to be tested. TESTED BY WHAT BASIS? SUMTHING A MAN HAS WRITTEN. and moreover u have no clue what that scientist, scholar, physicist, book writer, poet, false prophet, etc is into within the confines of his home before he wrote what u read and BELIEVED when u read it. dunno bout others here but I have studied my religion, and there was a character who was TESTED by both the temptation of this world, and from a secular stand point by the laws of probability. there were over 300 prophecies about him in the old testament alone even one depicting his birthplace hundreds of years before he would ever walk the earth. the probability of him fulfilling jus 1-10 of over three hundred prophecies is 1 and a trillion times a trillion. lol so sumbody gone read this and make sum sarcastic comment like the tripped out dude that don't believe in nothing, and say sumptin 'SMART' like I don't subscribe to that or ur ignorant or I SEARCHED for myself in another direction, when all he did was follow a TEXT written by a man like I did, but the only difference is mine claims to be inspired by a creator, he-she has no clue what inspired a historian, scientist, or any other creator of text of any sort to write what they wrote for u to say u tested it and it is now truth to u.

You can interpret the bible in many ways and as anyone who has read it (which includes me) is often times very strange and/or vague. Like take for example the story I already posted in this thread I think you'd find it pretty hard to explain why it's in the bible and what it means.

Also what I always thought as a kid when I wondered about religion is why back in the olden days in one very small part of the world did god single out the Jews in particular to be his chosen people, make all his prophets, and birth his son. I mean it kind of explains this in the bible god just decided that he really liked Abraham and all of his offspring would be his chosen people if they promised to cut their dicks for him but he kind of turns his back on all the other ethnic groups mentioned in genesis and then it completely doesn't even mention all the others like Asians, and Indians, and then the whites who eventually came to think that Jesus was white.

Again I'm not knocking religion I don't believe in any kind of magic/spiritual/chi/hoodoo so I have nothing against any of them in particular. My philosophy is just let everyone do what ever makes them happy as long as you don't fuck with other people which includes trying to call people out for their religious beliefs.

[piecemakuh]

I'm not knocking anyone for whut they believe, don't believe, or anyones claim to not believe at all in relation to a deity. its easy for anyone to misinterpret anything and in correlation to the jews that is exactly whut happens by society. the jews were gods chosen but foreigners were not excluded from practicing the religion of the god of abraham issac and jacob. everybody makes it seem as if god were saying the jews are mine, they are saved, and everybody else is going to hell. that couldn't be further from the truth. 1st no one except elijah and enoch ever went to heaven from the old testament. 2. all peoples of the old testament were bound to the grave and either paradise - a land near hell separated from hell by a chasm or hell itself till the coming of jesus to set the CAPTIVES FREE. 3. anyone who derived that from the old testament needs to do a bit more research. foreigners WERE allowed to be bound by the customs of the LAW and circumcision was an outward cymbal of mans acceptance of the terms of the law. I hate when people throw color and racism into religion when that's something that should not be an issue. a bunch of corrupt people who are a part of dark cults and masonic orders use things like a WHITE JESUES, and secular literature to push people further away from god. THATS CUZ THEY ARE PART OF THE DEVILS REGIME. the covenant of abraham was broken by the israelites, jesus came to save all persons, god IS merciful, and just like we were parented and hated sum of the things our parents did to discipline us- we grow to do the same things cuz the CHILDREN couldn't see that we knew what was best for them despite the fact that they still had the OPTION to make any decision they wanted.

[Dr.Strange]

yip i believe in God!!!

[Concept85]

Originally Posted by archdukezeb

Well obviously the concept of a god is real and their is a will of god as it is made up by humans trying to control other humans but god as a separate all knowing conscious entity that made the universe I feel I've yet to see significant proof.

I saw this lecture from this one famous biologist explaining how the human brain works and how are brains are adapted to understand our environment from our shape and size. For example we see solids as solid objects that are all solid space but in reality 90% of any solid is empty space where if we were smaller we'd be able to see that they're a bunch of atoms held together in a tight configuration.

The point being that humans need to explain how things work and how things are in ways that can be interpreted by the human brain. So to some giant space being or some other creature it might be obvious that the earth is revolving around the sun to a human the natural reaction is the sun is moving around the earth because how it looks to us and in the same way we are used to living in a social environment and we are used to everything in our lives being the result of the conscious action of another living creature.

When things happen to us that happen that aren't caused by another living creature like lightning striking a person dead people in ancient times chose to say that an invisible being in the sky (such as zeus,god,etc.) was responsible.
As humans we have to explain events from the perspective of a human, "god killed john with lightning because he was mad at him" instead of "a bunch of molecules floating in the air got negatively/positively charged and then jumped to negatively/positively charged ions in the ground," because the way our brains are built the first explanation is easier to understand even though it's untrue.

And that is why until further proof is prevented I don't believe in god, fate, spirit energy, chi, whatever magical what have you. But I wasn't brought up religious so I'm not one of those guys going around talking about how religion sucks and I don't care what anyone believes in.

Hey if the rapture happens right as I finish typing this and Jesus descends through the clouds I'd become a believer on the spot obviously and hopefully god isn't the type of petty guy who's gonna say "fuck you, you didn't believe in me. now go suffer eternal hellfire"

Yea man, people are afraid of what they do not understand.

My family is catholic, although I don't strictly practice. I have studied science and evolution for almost four years, so it is tough for me sometimes (the old "science vs religion"). In my opinion, a lot of religion needs to be updated. Not long ago people thought the world was flat, yet look how our natural understanding of the world has developed. Still many religions don't acknowledge scientific fact... We need to move forward, religion is definitely not a bad thing, I think remaining open minded is the key to progress in all aspects, or we would still believe the earth is flat.

[rulerwhy]

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