Who Believes In God?

[p.illa]

Originally Posted by Ismus the Alkemist

i dont believe anything it goes against my princibles. to believe something means you have to have a lack of knowledge and that to me sounds like ignorance

Word!? so you think that whoever believe in anything is ignorant, so you're saying that someone who believe in God is ignorant, so I'm ignorant. You got it twisted homie, for you to judge someone else's view "that's ignorant". Real talk.

[Ismus the Alkemist]

Originally Posted by p.illa

Word!? so you think that whoever believe in anything is ignorant, so you're saying that someone who believe in God is ignorant, so I'm ignorant. You got it twisted homie, for you to judge someone else's view "that's ignorant". Real talk.

I really dont like the saying "real talk" that makes me think youve been lying at some point.

Dont get so bent out of shape everybody in the world is ignorant about something. its impossible for one man to know everything. i learned from people who refuse to not know. They and i spent a great deal of time researching info that is vital to our survival in this crooked world.

Just so you overstand the definition of believe is to have confidence in something without absolute proof. Its not a crime to be ignorant but it is one to be stupid and i have not called anybody stupid therefore i am not judging just simply pointing out the truth.

I can not proof that there is no god but there is also no person who can proof that there is one and without proof or absolute knowledge we are left in the dark which means we are ignorant.

You can get upset and react in a childish manner defending your ignorance or
you can do some research and try to shed some light on the subject but you will be a fool to try and attack me and my character with a lack of knowledge.

This is one of the subjects i studied for awhile and incase you have not noticed my name, isms and alchemy is my specialty. i study philosophy. I learned a great deal on the subject of mono-theism. I learned alot about plato and the systems that he has created which we still operate on to present day.


Proof to me that your belief is true and it will no longer be belief but fact. I operate on facts. whether they be true or false is up to me to find out.

[Rafferty]

Ismus believes the following:

Originally Posted by Ismus the Alkemist

to believe something means you have to have a lack of knowledge and that to me sounds like ignorance

let's hear the definition:

Originally Posted by Ismus the Alkemist

the definition of believe is to have confidence in something without absolute proof.

I don't wanna single you out Ismus, you have conviction in your beliefs and you're pretty polite and everything too. But, is there any way to have 'absolute proof' about anything? Anything at all? That they're telling the truth in the news? That other people actually exist? At some point you have to trust that your 5 senses are telling you the truth, but there's no proof of that. Basically we all have faith that our 5 senses are dependable.

So our lives are all totally dependant on faith. We just don't notice this faith because generally the information from our senses seems to all agree and line up and work out for us consistently. So we assume that our senses are iron-clad, which clearly they're not. Check out any optical illusion to see what I mean.

But Ismus, I take it you're using the word 'ignorant' in a fiesty, baiting kind of way, but when pressed you say that it's not meant to be an insult? That's fine I guess, but don't be surprised when people get offended when you call them ignorant. You also called p.illa a 'fool' which most of us consider an insult too. Just pointing it out.

This is, of course, a touchy subject. But can we all agree that it's impossible to objectively proove that God exists, and also impossible to objectively prove that God doesn't exist? Belief in the theory of Evolution is just as much faith as belief in Creationism, to my way of thinking.

A few months ago my son (4 and a half) asked me if God is a little toy action figure. I was like, "I don't think so, but no one really knows."

[Ismus the Alkemist]

My apologies. I do sound as if im am being an antagonist. I did not call him a fool i said he would be a fool. I do not know a better fitting word than ignorance in this situation or any involving religion or science.

I, myself, personally do not like words like believe, faith, trust, or love. I already operate on the basis that I cannot TRUST my senses. I cant have FAITH I must know.

I do not TRUST what the media tells me. I research everything from three angles including the meaning of words. The thing I KNOW for sure is there is more than one side to everything. Accepting anything for face value is not something I do.

I only operate this way because i realized that I have been lied to from a young age. I know it seems silly but its just like santa claus ya know. When your a little kid people tell you theres a santa claus and your just supposed to BELIEVE it. For starters I thought what is a santa claus really than I researched it and boy thats a whole nother story. Than I thought well if society can lie to me about that than what else is a lie.

I search for the truth and create my own truths. I do not have any believes only what i know to be true. A wise man knows when he know nothing at all, and a wise man knows when to withraw from a battle. I lose this every time.

Faith and believe is something that normal people need to have. They have endless questions and prayers and wishes. What they cannot forsee they leave to fate. There is nothing wrong with it. Infact in the bible it says all of gods children were ignorant. Thats what children are.

Agian my apologies for sounding like an antagonist and if I have not answered the question, I do not believe in god. I do not believe in anything.

[DJ Stone 613]

im definately agnostic, but if i leaned towards any spiritual values, it would be buddhism

[Ismus the Alkemist]

It seems like musicians and artist would lean more toward spirituality.

spirituality: incorporeal or immaterial nature

Starving artist: A starving artist is an artist who sacrifices material well-being in order to focus on their artwork.

Its in an artist nature to not focus on the material aspect but rather focus on the spiritual aspect of is art.

I figure that would make me spiritual.

I guess thats what it means to put all your heart and soul into something. Art is a darn beautiful thing.

[UNO1]

GOD is the most high PRODUCER! creater of all!

[UNO1]

Originally Posted by Ismus the Alkemist

It seems like musicians and artist would lean more toward spirituality.

spirituality: incorporeal or immaterial nature

Starving artist: A starving artist is an artist who sacrifices material well-being in order to focus on their artwork.

Its in an artist nature to not focus on the material aspect but rather focus on the spiritual aspect of is art.

I figure that would make me spiritual.

I guess thats what it means to put all your heart and soul into something. Art is a darn beautiful thing.

I FEEL YOU!

[Ismus the Alkemist]

god is a belief and the big bang is a theory both have yet to be proven

[Ismus the Alkemist]

thats all im really saying